‘We are by your side’ – didi rugby’s pledge to parents and children during Lockdown 3

didi rugby franchisees hold a meeting online

Founder and CEO Vicky Macqueen has pledged to children and parents with didi rugby memberships that they will be offered fun, online classes and activities to last them through the latest national lockdown in England.

Having enjoyed an incredibly busy time since the restrictions of the first lockdown were lifted, indoor and outdoor didi rugby classes across the country were forced to stop once again for the foreseeable future on January 5.

didi rugby franchisees hold a meeting online
didi coaches hard at work on Zoom to come up with ideas for their online classes

Undeterred – and with plenty of experience from the first time around – didi rugby will be providing some exciting online options for its members to keep children engaged, learning and having fun with other members of their family.

Online classes will also enable didi members to see the friendly faces of their local coaches throughout lockdown and take part in a group activity with children they would normally see on a weekly basis.

Story time

Vicky will also be posting daily challenges and offering competition prizes to keep children and parents very much on their toes. While the incredibly popular evening ‘story time’ is set to make a return to didi’s Facebook page after England star Heather Fisher read to children every week day during Lockdown 1 back in 2020.

“Never has it been more important for kids to do some physical activity, see a familiar face and have fun,” says former England international Vicky.

A laptop computer shows an online didi rugby class
A laptop computer shows an online didi rugby class

“We are determined to make sure that the children and parents who love our sessions still have the opportunity to take part in a didi class every single week for as long as these latest restrictions last for.

“I can promise lots of fun and interaction in a delivery that will be easy to access for every parent on whatever device they choose.

Online classes

“As soon as the latest pandemic restrictions were announced by the Prime Minister, all of our franchisees got together on a Zoom meeting (pictured) to discuss ideas and share best practice and we left that meeting ready, determined and ambitious in what we could achieve for our members.

“Of course, we would all prefer to be meeting our wonderful didi stars in person but, until we are allowed to again, we are all really excited and can’t wait to get going with our online offering.

“This is a challenging time for parents across the country and I promise to those parents with children in our classes that we are by your side every step of the way and will do whatever we can to keep them active and engaged.”

If you would like to join one of our online classes for a free taster session, please contact your local coaches (check www.didirugby.com or on Facebook) or book in online at: www.didirugby.com/find-a-class.

Read more: Vicky’s Blog: ‘My 2020 felt like it lasted three years!’

WATCH:  Remind yourself what fun you can have with Heather Fisher at her didi rugby Storytime sessions…


Vicky’s Blog: “My 2020 felt like it lasted about three years!”

Vicky Macqueen and her team at the launch of didi rugby Worcester with PPE on

didi founder and CEO Vicky Macqueen opens up on an incredible 2020 which has brought untold challenges – but many rewards.

I don’t know about you, but it seems like this year has lasted about three years.

I guess it’s because of the amount of challenges we have faced during the pandemic in 2020, both from a personal and business perspective. Three years’ worth of challenges to overcome…in 12 months.

I am 100% certain I am not alone in feeling that way.

Lost loved ones

Being involved in such a public-facing business as didi rugby, I am fortunate enough to meet some lovely people every week. From speaking to mums, dads, aunts, uncles and grandparents, I have heard stories of struggles and difficulties. People have lost their jobs and, even worse, people have lost loved ones too.

The low point of my year came with ongoing grief of the loss of a loved one. Not to Covid – but to cancer. My beautiful niece Jess passed away in late 2019 after a short battle with a very aggressive cancer called Rhabdomyosarcoma. It is extremely rare in children but she was just nine years old. It was a devastating blow to my family and it has been hard to bounce back in 2020. I’m determined to do what I can to stop other families going through what we have been through and ran the London Marathon to start raising money for research into the condition.

Vicky Macqueen goes through the finishing line after running a marathon
Vicky Macqueen goes through the finish line after running a marathon

The wonderful team here at didi helped me through those tough times and we went on to face many more challenges as a business when the pandemic began to take a hold.

Instead of sitting still when the first national lockdown came about, we quickly developed an online outlet to host our classes. Across the country, our coaches were able to see their didi stars every week. And parents and children alike bought into the ‘new normal’ that we were all trying to get used to. It was great to see and we were able to share some lovely pictures and videos of front rooms, kitchens and gardens being turned into didi classrooms!

Social distancing in 2020

I would like to thank every parent for their help and support during that difficult time. It really meant a lot.

When the Government allowed us to go back to classes with social distancing and reduced numbers, it was important for us not just to tell parents that our covid-safe measures were in place but to show them too.

I remember filming a video which took parents through every step of our measures before, during and after a class and thinking we would have to keep innovating and developing what we did as we welcomed people back.

A coach and child have fun at a didi rugby class
A coach and child have fun at a didi rugby class

That was a really rewarding time to be the CEO of this business. Not only were parents and children supportive and delighted to be back outside, mixing and having fun but our coaches up and down the country were coming up with new ideas every week. They were truly inspirational as work mates and it was great to be a part of.

We shared ideas on best-practice, safety and ways to do new things in classes with reduced numbers. They say ‘necessity is the mother of all invention’ and this spell certainly proved that.

The numbers in our classes grew as the year went on and restrictions dwindled. Thankfully, we were able to continue classes during Lockdown 2.

We also managed to launch new 2020 franchises in places like Walsall, Leicester, Harrogate, and England star Alex Matthews started classes at didi rugby Worcester.

Alex Matthews, wearing didi rugby kit, laughs
didi rugby Worcester head coach Alex Matthews

There is still clearly some way to go until we are over this pandemic. But with a vaccine being rolled out across the country, there is certainly a great deal of hope in 2021.

I am excited about what lies ahead. didi rugby will continue to grow and I am more determined than ever to spread the values of fun, confidence and activity to as many children aged between 18 months and 6 years old as possible. After the year they have had, it’s crucial to keep our kids active.

As parents, coaches, children…humans, we have been resilient, agile, empathetic and compassionate to one another.

If we can all take that into 2021, I am certain better things are just around the corner.

Read more: Listen to the brand new didi rugby pod

WATCH: Take on one of Vicky’s ‘Lockdown Challenges’…


didi rugby Walsall to launch on Saturday 12 December

A poster saying didi rugby Walsall launches on Saturday 12 December
The launch of didi rugby Walsall will take place on Saturday 12 December and head coach Michelle Higgs cannot wait to welcome local children and parents for some free fun and activity.
Handsworth RFC is the host venue for the launch which will see classes for two didi rugby age groups: 18 months to 3 years and 4 years to 6 years.

An extra class for the 18 months to 3 years age group has been put on to satisfy demand.
The local community have reacted so well to the planned start of didi rugby classes that Michelle will be putting on a second free taster weekend the following Saturday with the same times to make sure that everyone can sample a didi rugby day before Christmas.
Memberships will then start after the festive period with regular classes taking place from January 9 onwards.
Head coach Michelle has been playing rugby for 11 years, spent the last six years at Handsworth RFC and has also been coaching girls rugby for the last four years too.

didi rugby Walsall

She has already been part of the didi rugby family for a year, helping to coach in other areas before deciding to launch her own classes.
Michelle said she was looking forward to meeting new faces from Walsall and the surrounding areas and is keen to introduce both parents and children to the values of didi rugby: fun, confidence and activity.
“I enjoy coaching for didi rugby because it’s a different coaching experience to coaching teenagers,” she said.
“Having a run around with the younger children is great. Making the sessions fun and active, seeing them laughing and enjoying themselves, and then watching them improve each week is very rewarding.


“It’s about giving them as much opportunity to be active, healthy and sporty from a young age, which then gives them a great start to a healthy lifestyle as they grow up.
“You get to discover their little personalities and characteristics, and though my job is make to sure they have fun and enjoy our didi sessions, I usually end up walking away just as smiley as they do.
“I absolutely love coaching didi rugby and can’t wait to get going.”
didi rugby founder and CEO Vicky Macqueen will be there to support the launch and she added: “Michelle already knows didi rugby inside out having been a coach for a year.

Class times

“So she is very experienced and knows just how to make sure that her Walsall classes will teach children to grow in both physical literacy and confidence.
“She has partnered with a club in Handsworth RFC who know her well and have been very supportive in the build up to her launch. We are grateful to the local community too for their support and are excited to see lots of smiling faces.”
Class times are….
9.00-9.40: 18 months to 3 years
9.45-10.25: 18 months to 3 years
10.30-11.10: 4 years to 6 years
** To book your child a free taster sessions, email michelle.higgs@didirugby.com or book online by clicking here.
WATCH: England Rugby star Alex Matthews launches didi rugby Worcester…

Alex Matthews cannot wait for didi rugby Worcester launch

didi rugby Worcester's Alex Matthews

England and Worcester Women star Alex Matthews cannot wait to launch didi rugby Worcester this Saturday!

With the launch of the initial event having been put back because of England’s second national Covid-19 Lockdown, it’s all systems go for Saturday 5 December at Worcester Rugby Club.


And interest has already been so great that extra classes are being put on to satisfy demand for places.

Festivities will get underway at 9.00am and the fun will be going on up until lunchtime.

Times for all three didi rugby age groups are as follows…

18 months – 3 years: 9.00am to 9.40am and 11.00 to 11.40am.

3 years to 4 years: 9.40am to 10.20am

4 years to 6 years: 10.20am to 11.00am

Having been involved with England during their recent games with France home and away, head coach Alex is back playing for Worcester and looking forward to welcoming newcomers to didi rugby.

“I am excited to say that we are bringing didi rugby to Worcester this Saturday,” she said. “They are multi-skilled activity classes that will involve lots of fun and games and I am excited to meet as many of you as possible.”

As with didi sessions across the country, the safety of children, parents, carers, coaches and guests is paramount and there will be plenty of measures in place to ensure that everyone can have fun while staying safe on launch day.

didi rugby founder and CEO ex-England international Vicky Macqueen added: “We have all been waiting a long time to be able to bring the fun and values of didi rugby to the local community in Worcester. Alex, myself and a wonderful group of coaches are really looking forward to putting on a good show to bring smiles to faces of parents and children.”

Book your child’s free taster place by clicking here

Find the launch venue here: Worcester Rugby Club, Offerton Lane, Hindlip, Worcester, Worcestershire, WR3 8TR

Read more: Listen to our brand new didi rugby pod featuring England captain, Sarah Hunter

Find out more about Worcester Rugby Club here.

The ‘didi rugby pod’ is out now on Spotify, iTunes and more

didi podcast logo featuring mascots dougie and daisy

The much-anticipated first episode of the brand new ‘didi rugby pod’ is out now!

We are delighted that England captain Sarah Hunter was able to join us and talk about our wonderful sport right bang in the middle of England’s battles in the autumn internationals.

Sarah has been a didi rugby ambassador since the early days of the service and she explains why she is as keen as ever to stay involved in spreading the values of didi rugby to children all over the country.

didi rugby founder and CEO Vicky Macqueen brings listeners up to date with what has been an incredible year for the business as support has flowed in despite the constraints of a deadly pandemic.

Spotify and iTunes

The didi rugby pod is presented by former Sky Sports and current Women’s Rugby Pod host, Johnnie Hammond and he is joined by other parents who have some cracking stories to share about their youngsters.

You can listen to the pod here on our website or via all of the usual podcast platforms like Spotify, iTunes, Acast and Amazon Music.

Book your child in for a free taster session at a didi rugby class near you

Read more: Hear Zachary’s heart-warming story from didi rugby Leicester

WATCH: England and Worcester Women’s star Alex Matthews launches didi rugby Worcester soon….

Zachary’s heart-warming story at didi rugby Leicester

Zachary kicks the ball at a didi rugby session at Birstall Rugby Club

Mum Sarah was upset and frustrated when son Zachary was struggling to fit in after beginning didi rugby classes in Leicester.

Zachary was quite a way behind his peers in terms of his speech, understanding and social skills and Sarah was going through processes to try and help understand Zachary’s needs.

Not wanting her four-to-old to disrupt sessions for other children, she messaged didi rugby Birstall’s head coach, Jenny Burrows and told her that they were thinking of packing it in.

That was the start of a lovely story which has seen Zachary not only continue his classes but begin to flourish. It has been a process which has left Sarah full of praise for Jenny and her mum, Anita, after the work they have put in with the little didi star.

Zachary kicks the ball at a didi rugby session at Birstall Rugby Club
Zachary kicks the ball at a didi rugby session at Birstall Rugby Club

“We decided to take Zachary to a free trial at didi rugby to try and build his social skills,” explained Sarah. “Rugby is popular in both of our families and so we decided to give it a go.

“After a couple of weeks, it was apparent that Zachary was different to the other kids in his class. We gave it a few more weeks but noticed that he was not following instructions and was getting distracted. As a parent, it was embarrassing and frustrating. We were worried that every other parent there would think he was a naughty child.

“So I messaged Jenny and told her how we were feeling and that we were thinking about giving it up. I didn’t want him to disrupt the class for the other children.


“Jenny asked me to try for a few more weeks and her mum, Anita took Zachary at his next class for one-to-one coaching and explained they had a plan in place to try and help. They explained that Anita would be Zachary’s one-to-one coach for as long as needed and they adapted some of the tasks to make it easier for him to stay engaged.

“He struggles to process detailed instructions but Anita started working with him and he began to engage with her. It was great to see and started taking the pressure off me and Zachary’s dad about worrying that he was being disruptive to others.

“Anita redirected him when he got distracted, he began relating to her and he has really come on. We have not looked back.

Zachary meets didi rugby mascot Daisy
Zachary meets didi rugby mascot Daisy


“Anita is always there for him and we have noticed in the last few weeks that he has started to notice and be aware of the other children more and start to mimic them.

“He loves a high-five and Anita and Jenny are always giving him one. One week, Anita was not there and when she returned the following week, he ran up and hugged her. That’s a really big thing for him.”

Anita and Jenny have already built up a strong following at their Birstall Rugby Club classes. Jenny has recently launched classes at two more of Leicester’s most respected clubs, Oadby Wyggestonians and South Leicester.

They are both delighted with Zachary’s progress and are very keen for it to continue in the right direction.

Excited to go

Sarah continued: “Zachary is far from perfect but he will follow the tasks now and he likes the routine. He is always excited to go to sessions.

“This process has given us some hope and makes you realise that there are nice people out there. Going through a process of trying to find out more about your son, can be very doom and gloom.

“But Jenny and Anita have gone above and beyond to help him and be the best he can be.

“Every children’s group you go to will claim that they are ‘inclusive’ but the reality of it is they that are often not. They simply believe that by allowing a child to attend, it makes them inclusive. That’s not the case and that makes it tough for parents.

Make families feel welcome

“didi rugby team have gone above and beyond for Zachary and they are always very welcoming. If Zachary meets more people like Jenny and Anita as he grows up, he will have a happier life.”

Jenny Burrows added: “I am so pleased that we were able to work with Sarah to find a way to help so that they felt they could keep on attending didi rugby classes.

“Seeing the process that Zachary has made is the best feeling. I truly believe didi is great for all children. We will always do our best to help families and make them feel welcome.”

Read more: Referee Jenny Burrows launches didi rugby classes at Birstall RFC

Read more: We all have a part to play in helping kids bounce back from Lockdown inactivity

Watch…. Welcome to the didi rugby pod


A letter about lockdown from didi founder Vicky Macqueen

didi rugby CEO Vicky Macqueen
Dear didi family,
While there is so much worry and uncertainty around about a second lockdown in England, I just wanted to reassure you that we will be right by your side throughout the next four weeks.
We are currently waiting for confirmation from the Government regarding our ability to deliver safe, face-to-face classes with you and your children.
didi rugby CEO Vicky Macqueen
didi rugby CEO Vicky Macqueen


It’s the outcome we ALL want to see and, if we are allowed to do so, we will carry on as normal.
BUT… if we are unable to do so, we will be moving to an online delivery to keep classes on and to keep your children engaged and active during the lockdown period. 
Where possible, online classes will be delivered by your local coach or franchise holder from your local area so your children will see a face they recognise and can relate to. 

Fantastic fun

We have had a huge didi meeting to share ideas and best practice to make our classes the very best they can be.
Having put on some fantastic fun sessions during Lockdown 1, we have now got plenty of experience.
Our coaches are primed and ready to go. Sessions can be activated from any device. You just need to find enough space to have some fun and games in your own home! 
The country may be locked down 🔐 – but there will be no ‘restriction of movement’ of our online didi classes. 🙌
As always, didi HQ as well as your local coaches, will keep you updated over the next few days.
Thank you and stay safe.
Vicky Macqueen (didi rugby CEO and founder) 😀
WATCH: Helping our parents get fit and fight Covid…

NEW didi rugby Worcester launch date revealed for December

Alex Matthews will lead didi rugby Worcester

didi rugby Worcester will launch at Worcester RFC on Saturday 5 December from 9am.

The original November date had to be postponed because of the second national lockdown in England.

Worcester Warriors and England star Alex Matthews will be at the helm of the new venture.

Alex, her coaching team, didi rugby founder Vicky Macqueen and Worcester RFC cannot wait to get going and start bringing the fun, games and values of didi rugby to the parents and children in the area.

Alex Matthews will lead didi rugby Worcester
Alex Matthews will lead didi rugby Worcester

Free taster sessions will be available for all age groups (18 months to 6 years) for those parents wanting to give us a try on the launch day.

“I have already seen the power of didi rugby and seen how children learn so much from it,” said Alex.

Worcester RFC

“It gets them active and they always have fun. It’s a tremendously well-run and well-organised programme at didi and I am really looking forward to getting involved.”

Worcester RFC chairman Steven Lloyd said: “It’s great to have didi rugby at Worcester RFC as another branch of the rugby family tree.

“We now really do offer rugby for all ages from 18 months up. Our club is all about inclusion during these difficult times and we are proud to offer a safe, happy, experienced and welcoming space for all to enjoy what rugby has to offer. Welcome didi rugby.”

Local community

didi rugby founder and CEO Vicky Macqueen added: “There is a great team at Worcester RFC ready to offer all that didi rugby has to the local community.

“The club have been fantastic support in welcoming us and working proactively to get didi rugby up and running, while Alex has a huge amount of experience to bring to the party and is really keen to give something back to the sport.

“We are all looking forward to what should be a fantastic launch on 5 December with lots of fun and games for children – and their parents!”

More details of the launch day and classes to follow will be coming soon.

To book your child’s place on our didi rugby Worcester launch day, please visit: https://bit.ly/34lTETS

Read more: Alex Matthews: “It will be great to get young children involved in this sport and also get involved in the local community around Worcester.”

Watch: Welcome to the didi rugby pod…


BLOG: We all have a part to play in helping our kids recover from lockdown

A graphic showing that 71% of young people say that physical activity improves their mood

We all have a role to play in making sure our children recover from the effects of the coronavirus pandemic, says didi rugby CEO, Vicky Macqueen.

Thankfully, the vast majority of children seem to only get mild symptoms, if any at all, if they get infected by the virus.

But they have most certainly endured long-lasting effects to both their mental and physical health by missing almost half a year of their schooling, as well as being cooped up inside for large parts of that time with few places to burn off their energy.

As a former teacher myself, I have seen at first hand for many years how physically inactive children can sometimes struggle inside a classroom, both with their attainment, confidence and behaviour.

Physical activity

Of course, I am generalising here. As the CEO of a company like didi rugby, I am also clearly biased. Hands up.

But there are few people who could argue that physical activity gets kids moving, gets their heart rate up, improves their fitness and can make them more alert when inside a classroom.

So it was no surprise to see some new research from Sheffield Hallam University showing just how much of a benefit activity can have on school age children.

At didi rugby and for me as an RFU Level 4 coach, qualified PE teacher and Early Learning provider, I really believe we do generally underestimate how much a young child can gain from being physically active from a much earlier age.

A poster saying that 78% of people say they enjoy being physically active

It becomes imbedded in them and, part of their DNA, to feel good, happy and confident after exercise. They don’t necessarily know why and they don’t know how, but they know they feel good.

It’s not only kids that benefit. Parents have reported the same feelings after didi classes themselves. One of our major aims across the UK is to educate and support families to all feel better, healthier and more confident in life by taking part in our sessions. The positive effects of physical activity are absolutely massive!

The huge Sheffield Hallam study was on more than 60,000 students and 4,000 teachers and surveyed attitudes to work, physical and mental health.

The researched showed, in many different ways, that helping young people get active can play a vital role in helping them catch up on work missed during the Covid-19 pandemic and in supporting their mental health too.

Fun and activity

The report shows that 92% of staff believed that being physically active helps with school work, while 91% of students felt that physical activity can improve their mental and physical health.

That is fairly unequivocal isn’t it?

Now the national lockdown has ended (and let’s hope it doesn’t need to return) and organised children’s educational sports classes are being backed by the Government, let’s make the most of it.

All of our didi classes are dedicated to getting children that fun and activity they need to keep them fit and active, to get endorphins flowing around their body, get them laughing, interacting with other children their own age and giving them quality fun time with parents, who have had a tough time as well over the last seven months.

My passion is to make everyone’s life a little bit better and even more so now!

Read all about the Sheffield Hallam report here: https://www.shu.ac.uk/news/all-articles/latest-news/research-confirms-being-active-helps-pupils-in-school

Read more: England international Alex Matthews is excited to launch didi rugby Worcester

VIDEO: Engaged parents getting active with didi rugby to help us fight viruses…

Young didi coach Caitlin stars in Daily Telegraph article on girls rugby

didi rugby Reading coach and keen rugby player Caitlin Clark smiles next to two happy children

Young didi rugby coach Caitlin Clark is the star of a new feature article in the Daily Telegraph.

The 17-year-old daughter of didi rugby Reading franchise co-owner Donna Clark tells the story of how she has always had to battle against the system as a young female rugby player striving to be able to develop her skills at the same pace as boys.

Having played the game side-by-side boys as a youngster, things changed dramatically when mixed sexes were not allowed to play together from the age of 12.

All of a sudden, boys were playing on bigger pitches, playing longer matches, allowed to push in the scrum and hand-off, while girls were not.

A picture of the page from the Daily Telegraph featuring Caitlin Clark's story
Caitlin Clark in the Daily Telegraph

The Daily Telegraph

Caitlin, who has ambitions to reach the England national team as a player, said she felt held back and put down.

She told the Telegraph: “I actually questioned whether rugby was a sport I should be doing. It was almost as if us girls weren’t worthy enough of playing because the rules were – and still are – so different, especially physically. Things were and still are so simplified for girls at that level.”

As a teenager, Caitlin was always bigger than most other girls in her under-13 age group, yet she was forced to train with nine-year-old girls nearly half her size. While boys were allowed to play up an age group, the rules didn’t allow Caitlin to move up into the under-15s.

Changes in the rules

The Telegraph feature goes on to outline Caitlin’s frustrations as a female rugby player and cites other discrepancies and inconsistencies in the grass roots game facing girls, as opposed to boys. With the numbers of girls playing the game increasing, it will be interesting to see if the game’s governing body (RFU) make any changes in the rules and structure in the coming years.

Whatever happens on the playing front, Caitlin is a hugely-respected member of the didi rugby Reading coaching team and is loved by dozens of youngsters she coaches on a regular basis.

Reading co-owner Craig Hunter said: “When didi rugby Reading launched in early 2018, Caitlin came along with Donna Clark, her mum and my business partner, to help us out. She has been with us ever since.

didi rugby coach Caitlin Clark with a young boy at a class
didi rugby Reading coach Caitlin Clark in action


“She has developed her confidence and coaching skills throughout this time and is everything we look for in a coach. She has excellent rapport with all the didi superstars and parents alike and is a great role model for them all – but in particular the girls.

“With the development of the girls game at club level going from strength to strength, we are really keen to progress the didi players into club rugby when they are ready to join the Under-6 age groups. As soon as we can get Caitlin on an RFU Level 2 rugby course, we will, and she can then look to lead sessions on her own and build a team of coaches around her to help didi rugby Reading grow.

“Caitlin is also very keen to deliver kids didi rugby parties as soon as we are able to so safely and in line with Government and RFU guidelines, something she will be excellent at I have no doubt. If we could clone Caitlin we would.

didi rugby coach

Mum Donna added: “As a parent, I can’t put into words how proud I am of Caitlin, she has been playing rugby since she was six years old and has always shown great tenacity and passion for the game.

“With such determination, she has gone from strength to strength both on and off the pitch. She never ceases to amaze me with everything she has achieved whether it be at club, county and Centre of Excellence level.

“I have also seen her blossom as a didi rugby coach, she has such patience and can instantly spot a child that might be struggling or needs a bit of extra support and just knows how to make them smile and helps them gain their confidence.

“Her years as a rugby player have helped bring her expertise to a coaching role and through creating her own session plans ensures that every child progresses with the fundamentals of the game, whilst having fun!”

Read more: England star Alex Matthews launches didi rugby Worcester

Read more: didi rugby is booming after ‘survive then thrive’ attitude during covid-19 lockdown

WATCH: Reading coaches delight at ‘hilarious and fulfilling classes’…